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sandra: welcome to another episode of we don'tdie, where my goal is to give you evidence that, although our bodies will disappear,we survive physical death. i'm your host, sandra champlain, author of the international,best-selling book called "we don't die: a skeptic's discovery of life after death".today on our show, we have the magnificent susan lustenberger. prior to her work as aprofessional medium, susan worked in corporate
Yoga Passion Napa, america. now, she'll tell us about her journeyon the show today, but i find it really interesting that she's got a passion for helping peopleincluding helping people in their businesses. in fact, susan is often hired as chief spiritualofficer for start-ups and companies to guide them to their success. she's been lucky enoughto work with an array of clients, including
business owners, professional athletes, movieexecutives, ceos, and individuals with the common denominator of making a differencefor those seeking answers, guidance and happiness in their personal lives. susan is currentlywriting her book called, "surviving death," based on all of her readings and life experiencesas a medium. and it will be out later this year -- susan lustenberger, welcome to wedon't die radio. susan: i am so thrilled to be here. i'm soexcited, i feel like i'm bubbling over actually. sandra: i feel the same. and i didn't evenask before we got on this -- am i pronouncing your name the correct way? susan: perfectly. absolutely perfectly.
sandra: very nice. very often, people mispronouncemy name and i'm kind of embarrassed to say, "it's champlain." susan: yeah, not champagne. (laughter) i love it. sandra: although i do feel the bubbles. sosusan, where are you talking to us from today? susan: i live in marin county, up by san francisco.it's just north -- between san francisco and napa. so i have a beautiful little one-acreranch and it's just my little sanctuary, and it's heaven here. i do my readings -- i usedto have offices in the city and that wasn't
really... i didn't like commuting, and soi work with so many people all over the world that i do skype and phones, and if peoplewant me to come to them, i come to them but you can do my work via anything, because it'senergy. you know? sandra: i think that's fantastic. i've spokento people all over the world and it's amazing how energy comes through. and for anyone who'sinterested -- if you go to wedontdieradio.com, click on episode 90. that's the interviewwith susan right now, and you can see her beautiful face and she also has the websitesusanlustenberger.com. so all those things and more are on wedontdieradio.com. so enoughof me talking -- susan, how about a bit of your back story? i know you didn't just wakeup and all of a sudden you were a medium at
a young age, or were you? actually. susan: well, no. but you know, i will tellyou... i was four years old when i saw my first spirit, which was my grandfather. andi didn't realize that until i was a bit -- until i was about eight or nine, but i always hadthe ability to see spirits. up until i want to say five and a half or six, i did not knowit was -- i did not know what i was seeing, and i did not know that it really not okayin my family or in society to see those things. so as a result -- i saw my grandfather andabout a year later, i actually... my grandmother's best friend's husband died, and we were gettingher ready. i'm from arizona and we were taking my grandmother to the airport, and the gentlemanthat had passed came to me and showed me that
he was sitting in their kitchen in texas.and keep in mind, i was like five. and i knew what type of jelly she was putting on hertoast -- so me, thinking that would comfort my grandmother, i told her this whole storyand my mom, who is the most passive, non-confrontational woman took me outside. my grandmother gotvery upset and grabbed my face and said, "you will never utter those words again to yourgrandmother or anybody. what were you thinking?" and i did not know what -- i didn't know.and so, i made a very conscious decision in that moment to not ever talk about what iwas seeing, and what i was experiencing and so, as a result, my life as a child becameutterly confusing and with a little dash of not very safe. right?
sandra: right. susan: i didn't know what i could talk aboutand what i couldn't talk about. and a little bit of the back story on that was that i wasraised in a huge irish family where my mom was southern baptist and my dad was irishcatholic. sandra: wow. susan: and they were cool enough to raiseus middle of the road, and as they evolved, they let us evolve and so, i was really luckythat way. and then, i -- you know, got into my teens and early 20's and i started climbingthe corporate ladder and had no use for it whatsoever. didn't even think about it -- iwas always utterly fascinated about life after
death and reincarnation. like, for me... evenas a young -- i would've rather watched a movie or a tv show about that than anythingthat all my friends were watching. i was really, really -- i mean, so interested in those things.now i know it's for a good reason, because it was my path. susan: so i kind of dove into corporate americaand having fun and moving into la -- i'm an identical twin and we moved to la together.we had a great time, but then as i started getting older, it started coming back. asi had my kids -- it was before cellphones, and i would unplug our house-phone when thekids napped and just sit and have coffee, catch my breath.
snadra: right. susan: i would start seeing spirits, and theni could start hearing them and it became... oh my goodness, it became such a sacred timefor me to get the kids down and connect with spirit. and i didn't know that i was actuallydoing an organized practice, and so -- and i had a medium. we couldn't sell our house,so i had a medium come in to find out why the house wasn't selling, and she actually-- and i was only, i want to say that i was 34. and she said, "you will be a medium, butyou really are not grounded. you must get grounded in who you are and your path, andyou will become an active, working medium." it was like music to my ears, but i didn'tbelieve her because my whole belief system
was based on the limiting beliefs that i wasraised with. so then, i started -- we started, my husband and i at the same... i'm no longermarried, but we'd play this game. how psychic is susan? and he got the biggest kick outof it. i mean, he was such a critic and i could prove over and over and over -- likei could tell him, "okay, we're going to go to disneyland and we're going to see thesepeople. and this is what's going to happen, and this is how it's going to go down." andit would always happen, always. 100% of the time. susan: so, it was fun and took away that scaryego thing of, you know... what am i doing? but on the flip side of the psychic thing,the mediumship thing really, really started
coming strongly. and i started getting a lotof messages, and i didn't really know what to do with that. and then my dad passed away,and i swear if that man didn't give me the full blown gift of mediumship -- or getting,i guess, all my natural-born gifts back. i was with him -- as he passed and went intoenergy and into the spirit world, it was like something physically happened to me and icouldn't control it. i couldn't control -- it was like a movie, i couldn't control who wascoming to me. i was seeing things everywhere, and so i decided, boy, here it is and youdon't know what to do with it so let's get some education. i started like workshops andi signed up for schools -- but here's the thing. i was clairvoyant and claircogniscentby birth. i had done everything in my power
to shut down clairsentient and that's somethingjust now i'm okay with it coming back. so when it came back to me, it came back in themost organic, natural way and it was just ever-present. and it was through meditation-- because i've been a practicing meditator for decades, actually. and it was throughthat that i could actually organize it, and organize how i could help in the world. andthen i just... started to help, and i was a private meditation coach as well in sandiego, and i'd go in and teaching people how to meditate. then all of a sudden, these spiritswould come in and energy would, you know, get really expanded and i knew things. andthen i just... i really, honestly, sandra, let spirit guide me to do what i needed todo in this world.
sandra: wow. susan, can you back up just onesecond? you brought up clairvoyance, which i know that term and i think many people do,but maybe you can discuss what it is.... but claircogniscent and clairsentient -- whatthose mean? susan: yes, so there are five main clair-'s,and clairvoyance and clairsentience is the most often. clairsentience is clear feeling. sandra: okay. susan: and it's when you walk into a roomand you can feel like something has just happened, but everybody's saying that everything isgood. claircogniscent has to be one of the most confusing, and it by far was confusingto me. that is clear knowing, such as when
you walk into a situation and are sittingwith somebody and you know everything. like i was that child -- it's funny, we laugh now.i was that child that always was -- i knew, i just knew and i always said if i knew something,i knew. they'd go, "how do you know that?" and i'd say, "it's what they said." it didn't,for me, come in as clairaudiance until i developed it which is clear hearing. the claircogniscenceis like you're a computer, and all this information is being downloaded. and it's very confusingas a child, because you think in some cases that you are lying, because you just saidsomething that you have no -- you don't have any proof of. and then it comes true, so it'sa really slippery slope. and i will tell you one of the most recent experiences that ihad, that even you would think after all these
years of doing this that i would get it, buti didn't. i was doing a favor for a friend of mine, and i was private cheffing at a partyfor her. like i was going to cook for all our friends. sandra: you do it all girl. oh my. susan: well, i wouldn't say that... but anyway,i called her out of the blue and i said, "robin, i can't do dinner on saturday night. i can't,i'm so sorry, but you'll have to find someone else because my mom has bladder cancer andi'm going home." and sandra, i just about died because my mom didn't. and my mom wasperfectly fine when i made that phone call, until i got another phone call which was mysister saying, "mom has bladder cancer and
you need to come home." susan: and still -- i mean, that wasn't eventhat long ago. it was like -- i think that was six years ago, maybe five years ago. still,i still had that little bit of self judgment, where i was like you're a horrible person,and why do you even want to get out of private cheffing? but, we still are human. and mymom is fine but that was the fact, and it just came pouring out of my mouth as knowledge.that is claircogniscence. sandra: wow. my heart aches to you as a littlekid -- we often hear stories of little kids that have like, past life memories or theycan see people, you know, and all these things. and i wonder like, it just must be them growingup and the little voice in our head grows
up and we get busy in real-life. meanwhile,i'm sure there are a lot of little kids that, when they voice something, it might freakout or scare a relative in their life and they tell them to stay quiet. susan: and here's the thing -- it was everysingle spirit that ever came to me, every experience i ever had was never scary. andi believed it more than i believed what i was seeing sometimes in my own home. susan: and so to be told i was wrong -- likewhen i actually finally told my mom, i was eight or nine when i finally told my mom thatmy grandfather had woken us up while we were at my grandmother's house. i said, "yeah,pa woke us up and told us nana was making
bunny rabbit pancakes." and we walked outand they were. and she just said, "honey, no. your grandfather had died." she wasn'tliving in that house when he was alive. and so, it was just like -- at some point as achild, you just stop. you just stop that communication, because you get really clearly that it's notacceptable. does that make sense? sandra: it does, it just makes me sad. susan: i know, and it's so funny because ihad to come out of my closet. what i think, three years ago with my mom and i finallytold and she said to me -- we had this great talk and my whole family has always kind ofwondered and they thought oh, susan's a meditation coach because there was some stuff there.and so, i finally -- my mom asked, and she
was in the hospital. and i sat down in herbed and said, "well, i'm going to tell you how my day goes and you can tell me what iam." sandra: mmm-hmm. susan: so, i told her a typical day with areading and my mom said, "do you actually call yourself a medium?" and i said, "i do.and mom, i have a website and i help people." and all my mom said, "how come you never toldme?" and i kind of laughed and i just said, "well, actually i did." and i just said, "youknow, mom. i was really little," and i told her about my grandmother's incident with mymom -- you know, i was the youngest of four kids. and so, it was... i think in her defense,like it was just, you know, is she just making
this up? what is that? i don't think anybodyin the 60's thought, wow. she's a medium. we didn't just go there then. sandra: yeah, yeah. and i know our parentsdid the best they could, and most of them were in their young 20's. they're whole differentpeople now -- my mom's in her 70's, and you know, she's a whole different human beingthan she was probably then. as am i. susan: yes, for sure. that's exactly it, andyou have to look at it that way. and so, i don't feel like -- and here's the thing. especiallynow doing one of the things i do, i needed to have all of those sensories shut down anddormant so i could exist in corporate america. so i could exist in, you know, what i wasdoing and having fun. i could not have done
it -- when i was in high-school, i could onlygo out one night during the weekend because it was too overwhelming for me. and it issuch a gift that i shut all of that down until i learned everything i needed to know, becausewe learn that way too, and then i, you know, perfected how i could go back and help thatenvironment. in which, i don't know how people work in corporate america anymore. and weare changing and there are huge cultural shifts going towards consciousness and awakening,and it's so awesome. but we've got a long way to go. sandra: mmm-hmm. susan, when you started gettinginto life after death things and mediumship and, you know, from corporate america to beinga medium -- was it like you had to turn the
switch back on? you might've said it earlier,but is it something that you really closed off and then it just kept knocking on yourdoor, like i am supposed to do this? susan: yes, yes. yes. i have to say that when-- as i was getting closer to the defining moment of being who i was, and i don't evenmean being a practicing medium. i mean all of a sudden being filled with that. susan: it got more and more difficult forme to go to work everyday. and i was -- in my career, i was director and sales of marketingfor hilton, for starwood, for outrigor. i mean, it was a high, corporate-driven marketand it got to the point -- i mean, it got so painful. i wasn't connecting the dots thatmy time spent alone, you know, dealing with
spirit and meditating and becoming almosti want to say... not addicted but boy, it was sure of a more comfortable for me to bein than corporate america. that, you know... that's a perfect, perfect way to put it. itdid keep knocking on my door until i want to say really, until my dad died. i mean,my dad -- his journey was so fast and so intense, and i'm so grateful that he picked me to bewith him when he passed, me and my twin sister. i believe people pick who they pass with,and how they pass, and that's part of a really strong knowingness that i have from what ido. and i am so grateful and i feel like i needed to be in that room to close up thedeal. you know? i feel like i had to go through that to accept that, yep. this is not death,this is just a transition. this is like -- and
even my dad. a few days before he died, helooked at all of us and said, "well, this is a journey i haven't been on yet." wait,no -- an adventure. and he was right, and that's what i know to be true. sandra: wow, i'm just having flashbacks ofmy own dad right now when i was with him in his final moments. susan: yeah. i know. sandra: anyways, our dads are special. susan: i know, they are. sandra: and i'm also thinking -- whoever islistening right now, there are things that
happen in our past and some times that arereally tough, real critical moments and when you're in the heat of it all and in that moment-- like my dad's passing was not anything magical from one life to another, it was justsuffering and fear and all that. but... looking back on any times that we have like that -- andit may take years from when you're experiencing, you can sometimes really see that had it nothappened that way, you wouldn't be doing what you're doing now. it sounds like for you susan,and for me and for many people that i've talked to, some of those most painful moments actuallygive us the biggest gift in life because they allow us to be who we are now for people. susan: oh my lord, i totally believe that.and i believe that in everything we do, that
takes us to the very next moment which takesus to exactly what we're supposed to be here for. sandra: that's a good thing to think about,because i know i'm certainly human. i think i should be somewhere else by now, i can'tbelieve something happens the way it does and it's just like no. maybe we could justtrust, right? trust. susan: it's all a big cliff to jump off of,and we're caught. we're always caught. sandra: so did you jump off the cliff andquit your job in corporate america and became a medium? how did that happen? susan: actually, i took a little longer route.i actually quit my job and became a stay-at-home
mom. and became -- i worked with... oddlyenough, this came up totally in my path. i became a designer, and we had moved into sandiego and just really worked on raising three kids and becoming a medium. and not really,in a way that i felt really comfortable about -- i mean, i was so closeted as this mediumand i would go to hay-house functions, like i was in search of all the knowledge in theworld because i felt like i couldn't do it until i had all the knowledge in the world,which is absurd. but that's how i felt -- no, i was a stay-at-home mom for a long time,and then as things progressed and right after my dad passed, on my personal, human lifeinstead of my being life. my human life was kind of in disarray with a really failingmarriage, and really -- i was at a choice
point in my life about happiness and so, oneday i woke up and i had three little children. and i capsized the sinking ship, and sat downwith my husband and told him that we were over and -- i mean, it wasn't a shock butthen i moved out and i moved to northern california from southern california and up-rooted mychildren and came, and just made the conscious choice to be happy. and i did that withoutknowing what i was going to do for a living -- like i didn't have a plan. this was justguided. and so, when i moved here, i didn't know if it was going to go smooth or not sosmooth with my ex-husband and the divorce. and i was told by my mentor at the time thati might want to -- since everything was kind of up in the air and negative, i might notwant to do a lot of meditation and really
focus on this energy. and i picked a townthat is not open to this at all, and is very, very based in christianity and it's a verysmall town. and it's beautiful and i love it, but they did not love me. so i openedan eatery with all the food -- i just always was a really good cook, and so i made... ihad a restaurant where i cooked one thing every night, and you had to take it to-go.yeah. and it took off, it just took off and i did it for one year, and i got all the capitali needed to be safe for another year, hanging my shingle as a medium for my kids and i. susan: that was such a gift, and when it wasover, it was over. and i walked away... and i was so happy i did that. and then i justhung my shingle -- and my phone, out of the
blue. someone said that they found me on yelp,and there was no way they found me on yelp. i wasn't on yelp. and it just -- they wereguided. you know, i sat in a meditation and i meditate twice a day. part of my meditationis that i call in my spirit-net and those are my guides, i'm heavily, heavily in relationshipwith my guides and i ask them to send me who needs me. it's amazing how that works betterthan any social media, than any advertising... anything. they just find who needs you. andthat was about six years ago, and so when i finally came out of my closet, i just becameslammed. you know? sandra: i do know -- little bit different,but i was petrified to tell people i was writing a book on life after death, and i'm alwaysscared when i'm sitting next to somebody on
an airplane and they say, "oh, what do youdo for a living?" because i'm like... speaking of food, i am a chef. susan: i know. sandra: for race car teams -- soon to be inyour area, for laguna seca raceway in monterey. but... you know, there's that fear there.but then when i say it, i can't believe how many more people than i think will -- theywant to know, they're interested in life after death, they've had some strange experience.it's just like this whirlwind of "oh, i believe in that too. oh my gosh." but it's so easyto think that they wouldn't, so i can see why people would flood to you. what was itlike -- because we talk about life after death,
obviously, on this show but do you remembersome of the first readings you did with people and really touched them, that their lovedones were nearby? do you remember that experience? i mean, i'm sure you still live that whenyou talk to clients, but... susan: no. i absolutely do, i actually haveone gentleman that called me and booked an appointment using a fake name. you know, thatnever works when you're talking to a psychic or medium. susan: and his son had passed. and so, hecame in and he sat in my living room and i said -- we were kind of making nice-ities,and i did the blessing and protected us. then i said, "so, you're max's dad." and he justlooked at me and it was so profound what this
-- and i said, "he's right next to you." theconversation, the triangle between the three of us... and i said, i was telling him, isaid, "you know, the cupboards in the kitchen. it's not your wife, it's not your other kids.it's max, he's doing it all the time," and he just started to laugh and said, "we werejust arguing about the cupboards today, because i come in and all the cupboards are open."i said, "yes i know. because i came out this morning and my cupboards were open. max wasshowing me what to tell you." and i had told him, i said, "he's always," -- one of thethings i said before the reading was over, i said, "max wants me to tell you this. heis always standing right by you. always." and, you know, this gentleman was taking copiousnotes and was taking it all in. he had shared
-- i had told him that the two boys with hisson when he had passed were really not doing well, and they really needed a connection.and he began to cry, and i said, "max would like you to reach out to them. and he's madeit easy for you." he started to cry and actually told me that the day before, he was cleaningout his office and a piece of paper fell out of an old file with those two boy's namesand phone numbers on it. sandra: hm. susan: and that, those are the things thati get to experience every single day. because what my goal is, is for -- i love that i ama flashlight for people, or that i am a bridge, or a microphone. i would love people to knowthey can do it too, and that they can have
access to the people they love. i believethat there's a reason they can't, and that's because... there would be an imbalance ifyou could always be hanging out with someone you miss, you might choose to do that insteadof get up and go to work. do you know what i'm saying? sandra: i do know what you're saying -- there'speople are addicted to finding mediums and all that. yeah. susan: yes, yes. so to circle back aroundto this reading is i got an e-mail the next day from this gentleman, and as he left myhouse and he started his car -- and he hadn't listened to the radio on the way to my house,but as he started his car, that song... it's
from i guess a movie, and it's "i will standby you" came on and was playing. and to be able to give people the reasons things happenin their life that they can't explain are amazing. and the other experience that i hadwas my first reading here, not in san diego. but after i came out of the closet, and awoman came to me and i do automatic writing, which is when i go into a deep meditationand begin writing. her father -- she was chinese, very traditional chinese but she had movedhere and she had moved here against the will of her father. and he then passed, and shecouldn't go be there. he had come to me and i had done automatic writing, and i had writtena letter to this woman from her father. and it was the most beautiful letter of love andforgiveness, and it... when we pass and we
are, you know, when we transition and we'reenergy and we're spirit, we don't -- we are not culturally bound. we are not, you know,religion bound. we just aren't, and this letter healed her so much. i mean, and she was sucha sad person -- and her great-grandmother, i said, "i'm seeing your great-grandmother,she's shooing kids. there are little kids running around you, and she's shooing themaway." and i said, "you don't want children." and she said, "i don't. at all." i said, "that'snot on your path here, but your grandmother's acting as a spirit guide," which is rare thata family does, but i said, "but she is protecting and honoring that in you, and helping withthat on your path." because she was in a relationship where the man wanted children. so... it'sthose little things, i mean, you know. that's
why i'm writing a book, because there areso many stories that go from the little sweet things to unbelievable happenings. and i feellike -- when i was looking for answers, and when i was looking to connect with the truththat i was born with but i had shut down, it was those stories of other people in booksthat validated me as i sat in my little, you know, suburbia closet and i knew... i knewwhat i had experienced was real. that's what i want people to know because, like you sandra,people all the time when i do tell them who i am and what i do -- they always have a story,and i don't care... it doesn't matter, because it's not tied to what we are tied to here. sandra: right. and we as human beings -- ithink it's just the nature of the beast. we
have fear, we have this self-preservation,we care about what people think. i mean, most of us do anyways. a lot of times -- i mean,there's a real fear of, gosh, if people knew this about me then they wouldn't like me.and it's not like you're a good or bad person, but that's just part of being human. we'vegot this need to look good and avoid looking bad, you know, and we don't want to embarrassour kids or anything. so we kind of just stay quiet about this stuff -- and one of the bigpassions i have with this radio show, and i think one of the reasons the listeners...the amount of listeners is growing so rapidly is because when we can either read in yourbook these stories, it's like ah. it's real -- or we can hear a great conversation withyou, susan or maybe someone else. maybe even
going to a retreat, a seminar, things likethat... it makes us remember that this is real. because i think our human-ness, probablyone of the reasons we're on earth or part of being human is to forget who we reallyare. like you had mentioned, if we are locked in with a medium 24/7 or trying to make contactwith those in the hereafter, then we avoid living life which is the whole reason we'rehere on earth. susan: right, oh for sure. you know -- i hadtwo fears coming out of my mediumship closet, and one was that i would be rejected by peoplethat i loved or my children would reject me. sandra: oh sure. susan: i cannot even tell you -- my children,no birthday parties, no playdates. nobody
would talk to me at the grocery store, whenthey had just been buying my meals. it was so great... it was so great but here's thething. i sat my kids down and i said, "here's what's happened for us." and my kids are sogood with what it is that i do, and what the bigger picture is that they went out and theyfound real friends. sandra: yes. susan: and i did, like i got supported bypeople that i adore and they adored me. it's so funny, i will see people and they willgo, "are you still doing that thing?" sandra: that thing. susan: i ge�����������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������ta little louder, and i'm like, "yes, i'm still
a medium." and for me, it was such a growththing. and my other fears -- sandra, i would have to tell you that it was i'd be wrong. susan: that i would give somebody really wronginformation and there's two problems with that. one, i was so wrong and i write aboutit in my book and i write about it in detail, because it was probably what i deemed as oneof the most important readings i'd ever done. and i was wrong -- i still know i got theinformation and i know it wasn't me, so i'm still a tad confused. susan: but the other thing is that it's notme delivering the message. it is my mouth and my voice, and my eyes looking at you,but it is spirit communicating with me and
i am their microphone. you know? and i really-- it's not an ego thing, it's that i am here to serve. and i serve spirits here, becausewe're all spirits. we're all spiritual beings, and i serve the spirit world and i'm so committedto that. you know? and i feel that i needed to learn those two humbling experiences soi could get over myself. sandra: well, i'm glad you shared it becausei need a little getting over myself. many of my listeners know this, and some do not,but i am a student in martin twycross who is our mutual connection -- his course inmediumship, and then in may of 2016 i'll be going to the arthur findlay school, there'sa course on mediumship there. because i've had some right-on medium readings that i'vedone, and also some super-duper wrong. i mean,
i've got that question, like oh my gosh. i'mnot meant to be doing this, and i just want to know one way or another, because i'm frightenedto tell people. if they said, "well, who do you see around me?" susan, i'm frightenedto be wrong so i'd rather not open my mouth or not tell anybody. i just love what yousaid, that it's not you delivering the message. you're just here to serve. and i'm like, oh.alright. susan: yeah, and look at it that way, sandra,because here's the thing. there are times -- because i do a meditation before i do areading, because i want to be really, really... like maybe that's the corporate in me, buti really want to do a good job. and so, there will be times i have nothing. and so, i saymy prayer and i ask spirit to come in and
i'm like, look. when they're sitting in frontof me, it's important. like, let me help -- and it just comes in, and that's the thing. butyou have to always remember it is not you. now, the one thing we do is we try to makesense of it. my biggest thing that i will always say when i find myself trying to dothat, i'll look at my client and say, "this makes literally no sense to me." and 100%of the time, it is something so significant to your client that it should never make senseto you, because it is... it is a message for them, not for you. sandra: that's perfect validation, too. perfectvalidation. wow. susan, you're the best. how about -- how did you get into, or have a passionfor helping business owners and people in
business? because i love how you called yourselfa chief spiritual officer. that's awesome. susan: that's because my clients call me that.i am the luckiest girl in the world, and here's how. people would come to me for a reading,and just personally... and i'd do a reading. you know, as a clairvoyant and as a medium,i can see what's in store and i believe it whole-heartedly, and people would be like,"okay. how do i get there?" and so, whether i mentored them or they worked with me -- ido a perceptorship which is a year long, i do like a six month small perceptorship...and i would help them. and what we found is as they were actually becoming more consciousand more expanded, they would look at their companies and they would see the dysfunctionthat they had created. or that they were just
working in, and it became unacceptable asthey vibrated higher and had a different energy. and so, they actually started bringing mein as a consultant and at first, you know, it was kind of two steps back where i wasgoing in as a marketing consultant. and then, that shifted... i have to tell you, that shiftedso fast and what happened was that somebody would show mebusiness plans, and i would look at it and i would pull energy on this business plan,and i would immediately start shifting things around. and they would -- the success thatthe companies had was, you couldn't... you couldn't make sense of it. and it's all spirituallybased, and it's all, you know... the energy of it. instead of saying, "our competitor'sdoing this," it's, "well see. as every human
is a spirit, every work endeavor is a spiritualendeavor." and they're all different. susan: and it just took off so one thing ledto another -- and i work with, the majority of my corporate clients on the east coast,and here i am in california where everybody thinks we're airy-fairy and ooga-booga beachhippies that most of my clients are in the east coast -- like maryland. i do a lot inmaryland, a lot in new york and i do things like i will work hand-in-hand with the ceoor an owner of a company and i will help read energy of, you know, when they're transitioningexecutive committee members. i go in and then i work with each person, so that's reallywhy they call me a chief spiritual officer, because i don't come in with (inaudible) andi don't try to make you something you're not.
because spirituality is not what we wear,it is not yoga. it is not any of that, it is every decision we make from the momentour feet hit the floor in the morning. and what brings us closer to our genuine happiness...and spirit, and the universe or what brings us farther? and so i work with people to reallyshift them into overriding that and always going towards happiness. sandra: wow, that's a really good way to sayspirituality because i'm a firm believer that life is an education for our soul, and that...whatever it is, small things, big things, it's all good. so to be able to apply thatin business... that's pretty awesome. susan: and here's the thing -- i mean, here'sthe dysfunction a bit of the spirituality.
especially because, you know, every singleone of us has spirit guides. they're there with you at work, and you know, even for me,when i first started being brought into corporate america, i was like, okay. well... you know,here's the thing. i wear a lot of turqoise jewelry, and i wear, you know... i don't dressin a business suit, and i wouldn't be good in a business suit. and so for me, look, it'snot that. that's why i can say that it's not what you wear -- here's the thing. spirituallyguided persons, whether i'm sitting in my little sanctuary where i'm at now talkingto you, looking at deer, or whether i am in a huge, huge corporation. and there's thatdisconnect, where we feel like we can be spiritual and meditate and really connect in with thisuniverse, but boy on monday morning at 7:30
when we hit that commute, we turn off. susan: and my job is to make sure that ifyour eyes are closed and you wake up in the morning, you are so happy and so calm thatyou don't know if it's saturday morning or monday morning. and that's my job. susan: and i only do that through spirit.like, everybody that hires me knows i'm a medium. and when i get pulled in to do a retreat,or when i get to do a workshop -- you know, i have people that'll say, "can you just notlet people know until they get to know you?" and, you know, that would be great if i couldsay that but really, it's going to go down how it'll go down, and i'm so normal. likei always tell people, i drive a mini-van.
i make snacks for soccer, like i grocery shop.i do laundry, and i'm not like... like there is not, i'm not a tv show or a performer.you know, i always -- people will sit down and be like, "are you like the long islandmedium?" and i always tell them, "i'm not, because she is a very talented medium, butshe's not like the long island medium when she's at home." sandra: exactly. susan: like, it's a tv show. so, no you'renot being filmed right now. and so, that's the thing is that it's like we all -- i lovedoing clapform work, that's one of the reason how you and i connected. martin twycross isamazing and what he teaches and how he teaches
it is phenomenal. i want to get better andbetter and better. there's always more to learn, you know, but we have to -- right nowi do readings all the time and get brought in. we need to change how corporate americais so we can change this world. sandra: yeah, i think that's awesome. i'mjust remembering -- you never know who is in your life, and they might be wearing asuit or they might be ultra-professional, but you have no idea who their soul is lurkingwithin them. you know? you have no idea, and if we can get into practice of looking athuman beings as the soul beneath that, you know. everyone is on their own growth spurtand everything... wow. susan, our time is going by fast.
susan: i know, i just looked at the clock. sandra: i'm like, what happens? i don't wantyou to not share anything that you're passionate about, or i'm trying to think what questioni should ask you -- is there something burning inside that you can share with our listenersso we can wake up tomorrow morning or even the rest of the day today and be happy? whereshould we go in our last ten minutes here or so? susan: there's a few things. but one of themost important things is this -- slow down. slow down to live at a pace where your intuitioncan talk to you, and where you can hear it. we are so busy rushing and we wear stresslike it's a coat of honor, and we need to
slow down to hear the voices of spirits andof spirit guides, and they aren't scary. and how, you know, that is so much i wish forthe world. i chose to do that, our life was fast, fast, fast. and i did -- i did an extrememove. but, boy... was it the right move. i'm not saying that the move is right for everybody,but you can be in the most fast paced corporate job and take a moment to just center withwho you are. and in any moment, ask yourself... is what i am doing, right now, moving me closerto happy life? susan: and if that answer is no, then... orif it's a have to, you know. figure out what it is, how you can shift it and make it, youknow, feel like a closer step. doing dishes -- we need to ground. like i always tell people,this is how i guess mainstream i am. if somebody
comes to me and they need to be grounded,i most definitely don't say, "go hold crystals and meditate." i say, get out into a gardenor do your dishes. make a dinner. that grounds us into this earth, but we are spiritual beingswalking in this earth. that is not... that's just... that's who animates these bodies,is our spirit. susan: our spirit is not outside of us, thisis our car. this is what we're driving on this trip. susan: but we get to pick another car thenext go around. susan: yeah, it's... you know. and -- i wishpeople could see what i see or feel, or you know, know because it's not a sad world. it'snot. it's not as scary as people think.
sandra: that's good news, because it surefeels like it. susan: i know, i know and it's -- but it'snot. and people really need to ground in their little lives, right? their bubble. that'swhat i always tell people when they come in and want to know what in the world is aboutto happen. don't worry about what's happening, how's your bubble? let's keep that in-tactand stop letting other bubbles come into yours, because that's not reality. sandra: what do you mean by bubble and grounding?i think i know, but you brought up bubble and i don't know what you're talking about. susan: what i mean by bubble is your own littleworld. like my world is filled with work,
kids -- you know, my world... my world onlychanges when i decide it's going to change. sandra: mmm-hmm. yes. susan: now, what i mean by grounding is thatwhen we are so living for the future, when we are living in past memories of who's donewhat stories -- they aren't grounded into this moment. we are not grounded into whowe are -- i mean, one of the things that i do is that i get people to know to the verycore of their beings who they are, what they love, and where they get happiness from. becausethat makes them happier -- and you know, you need to put a list. if you do dishes all thetime, put a list above the sink of what makes you happy. who are you? like, ground intothat and don't -- like i have people that
come to me that don't even feel like they'rein their body and that's because they are living on super social media out there, andthey're paying to everybody else but they don't know what they want. i have more peoplecome to me, to do a self-realization for leaders, and they think their self-happiness is intheir neighbor's drive way, or they think their happiness is telling everybody wheretheir child is going to college. and that is not it at all. happiness is if everythingdisappeared, how you feel in your soul and your heart. and you can be a happy mad person,you can be a happy sad person. you can be a happy annoyed, frustrated person but youmust hold happiness in your heart. and that's why we're here, is to be loved and happy.
sandra: wow, that's awesome. susan: it makes life really, really fun. sandra: it's funny, i get really quiet anddon't know what to ask next -- for anybody listening, what's happening is that i'm mappingeverything you say onto my life and going, oh my god. i'm moving too fast, i'm thinkingof the future, i'm thinking of the past. i'm like, oh my god. it's me, it's me. yeah. susan: yes. we just need to -- and that'sthe slowing down. when you slow it down enough to pay attention, you know, you start noticingbeautiful little things that you've created. not media, not tv shows, but you created it.
sandra: right. what a gift you are, susan. susan: thank you, you are too. i love thisshow. i'm so... i'm so thankful to be able to have this time to talk with you. sandra: thanks, and not knocking social mediabecause that's how we met. susan: and here's the deal -- social media,i have some of my best friends i've ever had in life because of facebook. i'm such an advocate,but balance. sandra: oh, i agree. i most definitely agree.we can get caught up in what other people are doing and... susan: oh, goodness.
sandra: there are so many things we can getcaught up in. oh, well thank you susan. thank you. susan: you're so welcome. thank you. sandra: my gosh. and you brought up earliermartin twycross -- we talked about him a few times, i can't remember what episode numberhe is... susan: i think maybe he's like four ago. sandra: so eighty something. but martin twycrosswas a skeptic, an atheist who is now a top medium teaching mediumship and what an incrediblestory. susan: he's just wonderful.
sandra: he's wonderful, he's just fantastic.i'll have to let him know we've been talking about him. susan: i'm sure he knows, his ears are burning. sandra: we'll certainly let him know, butto you the listener, thank you for taking this past hour and listening. so i reallyhope it's been of value. i'm all about all of us having a great life, remembering we'resouls having a human experience... reminding us all that life after death is real, yourloved ones are still around. you get to see them again -- your life is for a purpose,you are surrounded by an invisible team of angels and spirit guides, of those who arewith you and want you to have the best life
ever. it does take, like susan said, gettinggrounded and slowing down and getting into the present moment to be able to listen...listen to your own intuition, listen to your guidance. it takes trust -- because i know,because i've lived life almost 50 years now. my birthday is next week. susan: oh, good. sandra: life can be really hard and painful,and there can be a lot of suffering. i wish i had all the answers, but i do know one thing.when we make it to the other side of our own grief and suffering, very often we can findour life's purpose or just have some wisdom that we're able to help someone else on theirpath. susan, you may agree that the absolute
best gift you can have as a human being ismaking a difference in someone else's life. susan: oh, 100%. for sure. sandra: in fact, i was down a couple daysago and i was really down, as a matter of fact. i couldn't put my finger on exactlywhat it was, but i happened to read something on facebook and it just talked about eitherwitnessing something inspiring or making a difference for another person, and i endedup watching a couple of short videos on youtube of people making a difference in another person'slife and it was like i did it myself. it just really recharged me. susan: it's so real. it's so real, this reachingout and doing things beyond you. it's so important
for us as humanity. sandra: yeah, it is and it's the best. so,in closing, i had seen this on susan's website which is susanlustenberger.com. "life is tooshort to live an unhappy one." that's brilliant. susan: well, that's so true right? sandra: yes. and to slow down... and to really-- let's all, if you're up for a little homework today, i'll take this one. ask yourself thequestion, what makes me happy? susan: awe, sandra. that's beautiful. that'sso good. sandra: it's a simple one but profound. it'snot what you have to do in the future, maybe what you've had in the past that's long gone,but right now. what makes you happy? it could
be the smallest things ever. in closing, myname is sandra champlain and like i said, i do believe life is an education here forthe soul and our lives here on earth are important. i invite you to go to wedontdieradio.com andcheck out some of the other episodes, if you're daring share them with your friends on socialmedia. i love that, because it helps. you have no idea the people in your life -- itmay be they're ready for this kind of conversation, maybe they're not, but without extending ityou never know whose life you can change. so, all to say thank you for listening. hopeto have you visit again at we don't die radio, and we'll see you soon.
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